NYC Carriage Horses Don’t Get What They Really Need…


Elizabeth Forel / July 10, 2011 / 114 Comments


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A carriage horse doesn’t need a “vacation.”  But they do need daily turnout to pasture, which they are denied in New York City.

“A needed neigh-cation” by NY Post’s Candice M. Giove, which ran on June 26th, made no pretense at objectivity and read like an advertisement for the controversial NYC carriage-horse business.  The article highlighted a few NYC carriage horses who were on “vacation.”  No opposing viewpoints were included and Senator Tony Avella was described as someone who “misunderstands” this business. An opponent of horse-drawn carriages since 2007, when he introduced the historic bill to ban the trade, Avella recently introduced a similar bill in the NY State Senate.

The word “vacation” is a human concept, so it was disturbing, but not surprising, when the City Council voted in 2010 to require that carriage horses get five weeks of “vacation” a year … perhaps better than nothing, but not the daily turnout they need.

“Persuaded” by Speaker Christine Quinn, who wields ultimate power and is a big supporter of the industry, most Council members voted for the industry bill with no real understanding of equine needs.

Some of the members expressed concern with how this clause would be enforced since it appeared to be on the honor system.  But that was as far as their concerns went.  There is no way of knowing if a horse is truly relaxing or working on an Amish farm.

One of the problems with this window-dressing legislation was that it did not provide the necessary daily turnout to pasture, which requires 1 to 1 ½ acres per horse and cannot be accommodated by NYC stables.   As social herd animals and not machines, horses need to interact with their own species, to graze, run, buck, roll and play, to scratch themselves, stretch and engage in mutual grooming, which is a great stress reducer.

They have none of this for 47 weeks of the year.  Humane?  I think not.

Snow job on the public?  Absolutely.

The few horses at this “retreat” in the Catskills are the same ones who lug tourists around for the other 47 weeks and never get to roll in the grass of Central Park as they pass by,  encumbered by blinders, barely able to get a glimpse of the grass that is denied to them.

Legally allowed to work up to nine hours a day, seven days a week, the horses return to their stables down traffic-clogged Ninth Avenue, mixing with vehicles going to the Lincoln Tunnel, as they breath in exhaust fumes.  It has been referred to as a “nose-to-tailpipe” existence.

There are over 200 horses living in four multi-storied warehouse stables.  Stalls are legally required to be a minimum of only 60 square feet  – less than half of what experts recommend, which is 144 square feet for standardbreds and at least 196 square feet for the larger draft breeds.  The stable for police horses on 12th avenue has 12’ x 12’ stalls and an indoor ring for exercise.

Is this business popular like some in the media like to claim? And what about the use of the public relations word “iconic?”

Some say the word is overused.  A writer in the Liverpool Daily Post called the word “iconic” a word “pressed into service to describe almost anything” and that it was “a word that makes my flesh creep.” The Christian Examiner nominated “iconic” to its list of overused words.

Let’s stop referring to this inherently inhumane business as “iconic” as if it were something sacred – as if saying it enough times would make it so.  It isn’t and it should go the way of gas lamps.

But “iconic” aside, we have thousands upon thousands of signatures on petitions of people who want to see the industry shut down – from all 50 states and over 55 countries.  Every time there is a poll  - whether from EXTRA, Crain’s NY Business or WCBS TV, about 75% of respondents vote in favor of a ban.  I would say that “popular” is not an accurate description.

Carriage horses are not things to be exploited for monetary gain.  They have no voice and no choice.  As long as the industry continues to be politically connected and the media supports a myth, the truth will not get out.

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Horse in NYC Traffic Image Source: Donny Moss


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114 Responses to “NYC Carriage Horses Don’t Get What They Really Need…”

  1. avatar Jane says:

    You are very short on facts. These horses are well-cared for. Ms. Forel, who has little or no horse experience, has made a name for herself basically making things up about the carriage industry. Elizabeth, have you ever BEEN in any of the NYC carriage horse stables? I have – and am not a carriage driver. The horses have large box stalls, hay in front of them all of the time, and automatic waterers. They can lay down – I’ve seen it. By your standards, and by those of Donny Moss, another person with no horse experience, almost no one would be able to keep horses, if they weren’t “running free in a field” all day. Here’s an idea – why don’t you start a movement to ban horses in Southern California? Those large horse communities there do not have pastures. Same with most of the Southwest. You prattle on and it is obvious to anyone with real horse experience you have no idea what you are talking about. How about the debate you were invited to hold with the carriage owners? Are you not participating because you can’t defend your lies? Stick to being a NYC bureaucrat.

    • avatar Elizabeth Forel says:

      Jane – you are sounding like a broken record and it is you who is making things up. No matter what name you use – Jane, Cristina, Eva – it is not difficult to see who you are but you are afraid to use your real name. You and your ilk have to resort to name calling in order to try to make your point but it always backfires. Please stick to the objective facts – not things made up to fit your agenda.

      Why would I ever be interested in debating a carriage driver? There is nothing to debate. I am right and you are wrong. Many many people agree with me as evidenced by the polls I refer to and it is only a matter of time before the industry is shut down in NYC. If not because of our campaign, then surely from the redevelopment of the far west side that will affect exactly where the stables are. Really – it is only a matter of time. I would pack my bags if I were you.

      Besides, the carriage association was actually invited to be part of a debate at the NYC Bar Association a few years ago, in which I participated. But they turned it down. Why? Instead they were there outside filming and trying to intimidate people going in.

      You are terrified of the truth and always fall back on us not “knowing anything about horses.” By that I guess you mean just because I am not a carriage driver with a user mentality, this must mean that I know nothing about horses. Funny. Jane, try a new argument – that one is old.

      Besides, you know nothing about me – other than what you have investigated and of course, we know you have done that with all of us.

      Here is something to ponder:

      How can you say that these horses are well taken care of when they do not get turnout to pasture for 47 weeks of the year? Is this actually OK with you? How in the world can this be justified. Small stalls in a multi-storied stable with no stimulation at all. That is inhumane. To think otherwise tells us volumes about who you are.

      How can you say that these horses are well taken care of when the legislated size of their stalls – 60 sq ft – is less then one half of what it should be – minimum 144 sq. ft. And it is that way because the NYC stables do not have the room to do it properly. You throw around the term “box stall” to fool people into thinking that it is actually a good sized stall. It means nothing because it simply refers to the configuration. The facts are that the law, which was heavily influenced by the carriage industry, requires only 60 sq. ft., which is far too small.

      How can you say these horses are well taken care when they are forced to work nose to tail pipe in one of the most congested cities in the world. It does not matter if they are so called “bomb proof”. This is not a proper environment for horses – walking on asphalt for most of the day and standing in the sun without any shade.

      And I can go on and on. But I won’t. Not now.

      Get real Jane – it is you who have no horse experience. But you seem to have a lot of experience in backing an industry that exploits horses for profit – makes money off their backs. Anyone who does this will always push the animal to the limit. This means opposing any legislation that would add a humidity index, lower the temperature in the summer for when the industry is suspended; shorten the work day. Why? Because it would cut into your profit — or one that requires records for horses that are sold outside of New York City.

      • avatar Jane says:

        Elizabeth, I am a lifelong horsewoman, and very well-known in the anti-slaughter and rescue movement. How many horses do you and your pal Donny own, and how many have you rescued personally? I suspect the answer is zero. I’ve challenged you before to go to New Holland -every Monday – or Camelot in NJ – every Wed night. See horses who need rescuing, who are headed for a one-way trip to Canada or Mexico. Not NYC carriage horses – they receive good care, veterinary and farrier attention, and regular oversight by various city agencies. Please list your hands-on horse experience. I’ve been a horse owner for 50 years – since I was a kid. TBs, STBS, QHs, ponies. You may fool non-horsepeople, but reveal your lack of horse knowledge every time you post a message.

      • avatar Eva Hughes says:

        LOL, um, Elizabeth? I am not Jane — surely you must know my writing style by now?
        Your mind just cannot accept that there are LEGIONS of horsepeople out there who support the URBAN WORKING HORSE, and guess what? We have been inviting them ALL to our stables, to spend the day with us at the park, to come and get to SEE and KNOW for themselves how our horses live. And EVERY SINGLE ONE walks away a SUPPORTER, armed with first-hand knowledge and facts, while you whirl around in your bloody horse porn frenzy, playing and preying on the ignorance and misplaced compassion of gullible people.
        Why don’t you answer Jane’s question about the debate we invited you to?
        I can’t wait for Jane’s reply to come out of moderation! LOL

      • avatar Eva Hughes says:

        …and do you really think I am also Christina Hansen? LOL

      • avatar Eva Hughes says:

        One more thing — *THIS* is the Jane you are accusing of being ME….not only a horse owner and equestrienne, but an equine journalist who REPORTS ON *ACTUAL* HORSE ABUSE!!
        http://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-published/2009/a4816-07-opn.html

        • avatar Jane says:

          I see that Elizabeth is a friend of Helping Hearts Equine Rescue. So am I (it is next door to my farm and I am there frequently) and Eva and Christina. Next time you come to visit, Elizabeth, you can show us some of your equestrian skills. Don’t forget to visit the horse that Christina and Blue Star Equiculture helped rescue. Maybe you could rescue a horse and support it there?

        • avatar Ruth says:

          If “Jane” really believes what she is saying she must be the one wearing the blinders. There is such a thing as a cock-eyed optimist, one who refuses to see the facts if they aren’t all rosey, but it’s more likely that this is just another masquerade by some one from the carriage industry.

          • avatar Eva Hughes says:

            Masquerade, Ruth? Did you see the link I posted, from Justia? Jane Glassey Meggitt is an equestrienne and EQUINE REPORTER who also does rescue work. Google her!! She outs her MONEY and TIME where her heart lays, actually HELPING horses, unlike you living in unicorn and rainbow land.

          • avatar Jane says:

            Nope, no Blinders. I did my research, thank you, and found out that the film has little credibility. Many of the “facts” stated are completely untrue. Why won’t Donny ever discuss this film publicly with carriage owners? He even arranged a radio interview with an Olympic dressage rider, but he backed out it when it became known a carriage horse industry representative would also appear. Elizabeth has been invited to discuss this in a public forum with industry reps, but declines. Sorry, but her “I am right and you are wrong” response doesn’t cut it. By the way, David Letterman rode a horse rescued from HHER today in mid-town Manhattan for a TV segment. Great p.r. for a great organization! Go, HHER!

          • Ruth, you are the one guilty of only seeing the “facts” you want to see… So many of the anti-carriage-horse activists fetishize a handful of accidents while refusing to see the literally DOZENS of healthy horses at work everyday in the city. All while studiously ignoring the facts that DON’T fit their preconceived notions that carriages are “bad.”

            By the way, Elizabeth Forel had this to say about the whole “carriage horse issue”: “We are never going to agree on how horses should be kept or whether or not they should be used to pull carriages. It is a difference of opinion and you are certainly entitled to have a different one from me.”

            The thing is, the OPINION shared by horsewomen such as Eva and Jane is actually backed up by real, measurable FACTS. The opinion shared by non-horsepeople such as Elizabeth Forel and yourself falls apart under prolonged scrutiny. THAT is why Donny Moss, Elizabeth Forel and the rest refuse to enter into a fair and equal debate.

    • Hi Jane,

      As a horse-owner, I can tell you for a fact that for a horse, “large box stalls, hay in front of them all of the time, and automatic waterers” does NOT qualify as being well-treated. If your job entailed spending hours walking along roads and the only break you had was sitting in a bathroom with lots of food and water, would you consider yourself well-treated? It’s exactly the same except worse as horses are herd animals which in the wild can cover up to 25 miles a day – something tells me these poor animals’ large box stalls aren’t quite that big…
      So yes, Jane, I am one of those people with “real horse experience” and it sounds like these poor horses’ lives are absolutely miserable. Great post Elizabeth :-)

      • avatar Jane says:

        Why does everyone compare domestic horses to wild ones? Excuse me – life in the wild for these horses is generally nasty, brutish and short. There was a mustang at my barn who escaped a mountain lion, but she had the claw scars on her back. The carriage horses get plenty of good, regular exercise when they are out working. I would not defend keeping a horse in a stall 24/7, but that is not the case here. They are out of their stalls for hours each day. If you are a horseperson, who can see that they are in good condition. Please, someone post a NYC carriage who looks poorly (with a date on the photo). I bet you can’t find one.

      • avatar lynne says:

        If horses in the wild are supposed to walk 25 or more miles a day, why is having a horse walk considered cruel? Oh, when it is called “work”.

  2. avatar Sarah May says:

    These drivers mistreat their horses. They are underfed, sometimes working up to 12 hours a day in the heat of the summer. They are forced to carry loads of up to 900 lbs. and sometimes forced to do so when lame. They don’t spend their free time in pasture, but locked in stables. Horses with cancers, sores on their legs, horses with pus in the eyes, and what really gets me, the fact that the horses all seem to be thinner than ever. Why doesn’t NYC join the 21st century? We eradicated human slavery int he U.S. and small pox. Society evolves, and yet, this industry keeps going on and on. There will be no justice in NYC until this industry is abolished.

    • avatar Wendy says:

      Are you for real? Have you been to NYC? Have you ever seen these carriage horses or even a horse?

      First off, Carriage Horses do not “carry” anything – the word ‘carriage’ should be a clue for you… they are pulling. Pulling is easy for horses, much easier in fact than carrying a rider.

      Do you know good or bad body condition for a horse? Do you know what a lame horse looks like? I doubt it if you think NYC carriage horse are too thin or lame. I think you read a bunch of crap on some website and are just vomiting it out here.

      You know what gets to me? That you would even think of comparing the horribleness slavery of African Americans to carriage horses – you should wash your mind out with soap.

  3. avatar Rachel says:

    I didnt see a quote from a veterinary in your article. Nor did i see where you interviewed a carriage horse owner. I must of missed the point also where you found a study stating the need of a horse requiring daily turn out to be well rounded. I also missed the section where you stated your experience with equines, and thus are deriving your opinion. I also missed the quote of area 51 and the government cover up of aliens, and how JFK was assassinated by the second shooter, NOT to mention how 9/11 was created by the government. No i do not feel my questions nor my comparisons are off base. Animal rights activist since the 70′s have employed tactics of scare and fear and lies on a regular basis. You form opinions based on what you are told from some extremist, some one famous enough, or powerful enough gets an idea and starts shouting it and all of a sudden there is a crowd shouting the same rhetoric without understanding what they are shouting about or for. The day you present SCIENTIFIC FACT stating these horses are so miserable and mistreated and want to commit suicide i will listen. Until then it is normally the opinion of a human who cant tell the difference between a pony and a horse, or a donkey and a mule. When you can do that maybe someone who matters will care. Until then i hope the intelligent people of the populace of NYC see’s this for what it is.

    • avatar Sarah May says:

      actually if you look a few comments down there is a great comment from an equine vet.

      • avatar Eva Hughes says:

        Sarah – Holly Cheever is NOT an equine vet. She is a radical animal rights SMALL ANIMAL vet, and has been spewing her garbage for 30 years. Nobody pays any attention to her.

    • avatar Elizabeth Forel says:

      Rachel or Jane or Eva or Christina – your comment is so pathetic, it is embarrassing — because you think that by criticizing what I say, it will make people listen less. But who are you and what are your credentials?

      The majority of New Yorkers want to see the horse-drawn carriage business come to an end. It will happen as I mention above. You currently have some key politicians in your court now, but it will not always be that way. So key politician + the carriage trade = those who want the industry to stay – vs – just about every New Yorker who has an ounce of compassion. One does not have to “know” horses or be an equine veterinarian to have a good solid opinion on this issue.

      It is really shameful for you to defend horses not getting turnout and living in small stalls. One does not have to be a vet to know that. As I have said, any business that exploits animals for profit will use them to the limit. it is called greed. It is called capitalism.

      You want a vet’s comment – See Dr. Holly Cheever’s comment below.

  4. avatar Edita Birnkrnat says:

    As a native New Yorker who lives in NYC and works in Midtown Manhattan, it’s very obvious to me: horses forced to pull carriages so that their owners can make a profit are slaves. And yes, I mean that literally. They are merely commodities that are exploited for profit, quite literally until the day they die, and often that will be at a slaughterhouse. It’s the 21st Century, it’s long past time that we recognize that other sentient beings cannot be treated as our slaves, regardless of what species they are. Horse-drawn carriages are a very public and shameful reminder of the ethical blind spot that mainstream society has towards other animals. It’s time we take off our blinders and see horse-drawn carriages (and any industry that exploits animals for profit) for what it is: a slave trade.

  5. avatar Dr. Deborah Tanzer says:

    Dr. Deborah Tanzer, New York, N.Y.

    I write and lecture about cruelty to animals, and I want to thank Elizabeth Forel for this article which tells it like it is. To force these horses to labor long hours carrying heavy loads, in weather of all extremes, to subject them to the noise and fumes of traffic, and to even deprive them of the full range of their eyesight–all of this is indeed severe cruelty to animals. This inhumane indsutry should have been abolished long ago.

    • avatar Elizabeth Forel says:

      thank you Dr. Tanzer for your comments. The power to do something about this – to abolish an industry that the majority of the public wants to see shut down – lies with the City Council and the Mayor. They refuse to listen. They refuse to act. NYC is getting a world wide reputation for a city that supports animal cruelty — not only with the carriage horses, but with the slaughter of geese and the abysmal municipal “shelter,” which kills hundreds of animals a day and covers it up with slick PR.

    • avatar Eva Hughes says:

      Dr. Tanzer – if you “write and lecture” on cruelty, then you would no that there is none here. Our horses neither “work long hours”, or “carry heavy loads” (they actually do not “carry” anything at all, they pull). We have temp and weather restrictions, they are acclimated for the most part to the noise, they breathe the same air we do. And “depriving them of their full range of eyesight” is absurd; blinders serve several useful purposes, not the least of which is making the horses feel secure and at ease. “Severe cruelty to animals”, really? Then label to do use for factory farming, bullfighting, or skinning animals alive for their fur? Really, dear, get a grip.

      • avatar Ruth says:

        So you’re saying that using horses in your industry to pull heavy carriages nine hours a day, making them walk through heavy NYC traffic, and walk and stand for hours on end on pavement that causes injuries to their legs and feet, depriving them of daily turnout, depriving them of sufficient clean drinking water, is OK because it’s not as cruel as factory farming, bullfighting, and skinning animals alive? Just wondering on your logic.

        • avatar Eva Hughes says:

          Ruth – once again: the carriages are not heavy, the work hours are perfectly reasonable, walking is exercise, they are shod for pavement, they do not need daily turnout, they have plenty of water. You should HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME by not putting your time and effort into horses that really NEED helping.
          Read this if you want to learn what horses REALLY need:
          Horses should get plenty of fresh, clean water.
          Horses should get appropriate amounts of forage (whether grass or quality hay).
          Horses should receive appropriate veterinary care.
          Horses should receive routine farrier care.
          Horses should receive routine dental care.
          Horses should have adequate shelter / protection from the elements.
          Horses should live in a clean and comfortable environment.
          Horses should have a minimal amount of stress in their lives.
          Horses should be groomed regularly.
          Horses should live and interact with other horses.
          Horses should get plenty of exercise.
          Horses should have contact with people.
          Horses should enjoy the tasks we ask of them and be suitable for the job.
          Horses should have a routine.
          Horses should always receive humane disposition.
          …and each one of these are expanded on in this article — learn something for a change!!! http://www.equiculture.org/nyc-position-statement.aspx

          • avatar Ruth says:

            Did the horses tell you that they don’t need daily turnout? where did you get this information?

  6. avatar Mary C says:

    Thank you, One Green Planet, for publishing this informative and insightful article by someone who knows the issues inside and out and has the best interests of the horses at heart. By now it is abundantly clear that meaningful reform or improvement is not going to happen, and putting horses into congested city traffic is unsafe for the animals and the public. It is unfortunate that conventional news media ran with a silly puff piece that read like an industry-sponsored advertorial. A 5-week vacation is neither likely (nor possible to confirm, given that record-keeping by the industry is so poor) nor useful, since what horses actually need for physical and psychological well-being is turnout. And freedom from exploitation. As for New York City lawmakers’ disregard for the public safety, it doesn’t take much imagination to realize that horses spook, and when they do, people are usually injured. Or killed, as we saw recently in Bury, UK, where a woman was trampled to death, or the July 4th parade in Bellevue, Iowa, last summer, where a carriage driver’s wife was killed when horses spooked during a noisy parade.

  7. avatar Henry says:

    i see the same horse pulling the 1000 lbs carriage
    With 4 people morning till night
    This is really wrong
    105 degrees heat Stop this

    • avatar Elizabeth Forel says:

      Henry – next time you see this happening, please see if you can get the horse’s ID number, which is on his left front hoof. Do it quietly and do not call attention to your self. Also get the time, location, carriage license plate number, which is on the back – and send it to me at coalition@banhdc.org.

      It is very possible that this horse is being double shifted, which means that he is being used for two shifts – possibly with different carriages and drivers.

      By law horses are allowed to work a nine hour day. But our complaint is that it is virtually impossible to enforce many of these laws.

    • avatar Eva Hughes says:

      105? What city do you live in? LOL

    • avatar lynne says:

      Wow, those 4 people sure must love a long carriage ride. Seems someone forgot their mess.

  8. avatar Holly Cheever, DVM says:

    In response to Dean Martin Erasmus’s ignorant comment: Dean, not only do I ride, not only did I serve as an exercise girl riding thoroughbreds on KY tracks, not only did I train and drive carriage horses in rural KY and NH, I am also an equine veterinarian. The bursts of speed that race horses exhibit in their training and performances, like the efforts sustained by 3-day eventers, is a brief period of a few minutes as opposd to the lo-o-o-ng shifts the carriage horses are forced to endure in baking heat, surrounded by exhaust fumes (I am the one who originally coined the phrase “nose to tailpipe existence” in 1988), and the stress on the carriage horses–as well as the stress of their inadequate stabling and lack of turnout—make the carriage horse lives hellish beyond all other uses of equine animals in our country. The equine literature , both for lay readers and professionals, is full of references to the need for relaxed time–social time–freedom to roll and stretch and mutually groom conspecifics (i.e. other horses). The fact that you have not kept up with equine welfare and science articles hardly makes you an expert with the right to trash a well-written and accurate article by Ms. Forel. In addition to working on NYC carriage horse abuse, I have also advised approximatley 15-20 municipalities and 2 states on carriage horse abuse and was responsible for Philadelphia’s welare regulations for their industry. NYC has by far the worst environement of urban carriage horses–worst stabling worst environment, least turnout–of all other cities that I have studied. Ban the industry and get into the 21st century, for goodness’ sake–OR restrict the industry to 5 carriages and 10 horses in a modern, state of the art stable in Central Park and keep rides restricted to the park–which will never happen.–Holly Cheever, DVM

    • avatar A. Chappelle says:

      You’re really full of yourself. You also like to repeat yourself. That’s all I got out of your article.

  9. Thank you for this excellent article on the abominable carriage horse industry. Years ago we fought to have very minimal restrictions put in place to make try to make the lives of the horses less tortured and bleak. Mayor Koch killed the bill, and conditions for the horses continued to deteriorate. After many years of activism, it’s clear to me that the ONLY solution is an outright ban on this cruel industry. Horses do not belong in NYC traffic, period.

    • avatar Eva Hughes says:

      “Horses do not belong in NYC traffic, period.”

      Then when you buy a horse, make sure not to put him in traffic. That’s your right. These are OUR horses, this is OUR industry, and we will work to protect the road rights of horses EVERYWHERE.
      There are more and MORE urban and working horses, not less, btw — Paris, France has just started to use teams for garbage collection, Vermont is using them to lay cable lines.
      LONG LIVE THE WORKING HORSE!!

  10. avatar Jackie says:

    Noble Creatures

    Standing for hours
    in a dark dank stall
    eyes fixed only
    on a dirty wall.

    Standing on the street
    in the blazing,
    burning heat.
    Walking on the ice,
    the frozen snow
    and sleet.

    Noble creatures,
    kind, forgiving
    sentenced to years of
    unnatural living.

    Misery, sorrow
    and perhaps tomorrow,
    the auction house
    the slaughterhouse.

  11. The oiir horses are worked to death being winter ,fall,spring, and winter.
    They are not fed properly and treated like scrum.
    How could you do this to poor horses.
    Let me be freed and stop carriage horsed rides

  12. avatar Patty A. says:

    Very well written piece that calls attention to this vital issue and the need for major reforms, it not an all out total ban.

    Kudos to Ms. Forel for her persistence and professionalism in staying on it.

    Change comes slowly, but with tenacity and commitment, it eventually comes.

    Good job!

  13. avatar Horse Lover says:

    Way to go! This horrific industry feeds off ignorance, misplaced “sentiment” and largely, indifference, by those in political power and in a position to make a real difference, by shutting down this industry and sending all these overworked, maltreated horses to pasture. All of the counter arguments offered by the exploiters, have been exposed for what they are: lies, lies, lies!

  14. avatar Elizabeth Tobier says:

    What a great piece! Picking up that quote from the Liverpool Daily Post on the overused word ‘iconic’ — hey, the carriage horse slave drivers really make my flesh creep… Grown men and women making their living as parasites, working horses to death on the streets of New York.

  15. avatar cheryl Horning says:

    These poor horses are no more than slaves, I would die doing their job! If they were dogs it would be banned.

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