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A Horse of a Different Color: Carriage Horses Are Neither War Horses Nor Work Horses


Elizabeth Forel / May 20, 2012 / 88 Comments


A Horse of a Different Color: Carriage Horses Are Neither War Horses Nor Work Horses

Horses have always been the innocent victims – whether taken to war without a choice and worked to death; or used in rodeos, horse racing or New York City’s  inhumane horse-drawn carriage industry.

Sad history – In the age before the automobile, horses were notoriously overworked, and many died in the streets.  In NYC, they pulled wagons loaded with people and goods, and they served as the power for the City’s street trolley system.   Between 100,000 and 200,000 horses lived in the city at the turn of the century.  Many were literally worked to death — their carcasses left on the street waiting for the street cleaners.  From an article by Joel A. Tarr in American Heritage Magazine – Urban Pollution – many long years ago  “The average streetcar nag had a life expectancy of barely two years, and it was a common sight to see drivers and teamsters savagely lashing their overburdened animals.  The mistreatment of city horses was a key factor in moving Henry Bergh to found the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in 1866.”  

Steven Spielberg’s film War Horse gave me new insight into what the term “work horse” and “war horse”   really meant.  During World War I, horses were transported via rail to New York City to be shipped to Europe for use in the war.  They pulled cannons, trucks and ambulances and were literally worked till they dropped in the ravages of war and hand-to-hand combat. Hundreds of thousands of horses did not make it out alive, dying from artillery fire, starvation and disease. With the end of the war, and with increased mechanization in the 20th century, the need for draft horses declined.  Many of these horses were sold to slaughter.

Humans had contributed to the overpopulation of draft horses by over breeding, cross breeding and selective breeding.  Mules are man made – the hybrid offspring of a female horse and a male donkey.   So are hinnies – a combination of a male horse and female donkey.  A 2008 article from Horseman Magazine says “Most draft horses however were really the result of selective breeding. Programs for breeding were primarily set up to produce these large, muscular and powerful horses.”

Watching “War Horse” provided a window into the ways our society has treated horses through the years.  Horses were domesticated by humans who needed their strength to perform a variety of duties that they were unable to do.  And horses, being the docile animals that they are, complied.    They became known as “beasts of burden” as if this and nothing else described what they were.

Our use of horses over the millenia is nothing to be proud of – the devastation of war; the exploitation of animals – but people felt they had no choice.  Real work needed to be done, and powerful horses were available and capable.   Today, we don’t need to use horses to work for us.  We have a choice, and can and must choose not to exploit them.

Where do they go? - Among the most abused work horses today are those who pull carriages with tourists in major urban areas like New York, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia,  Charleston, Atlanta and Rome.  In New York, these horses are forced to haul tourists through the congested streets of midtown.     When no longer able to do this pulling, they are removed from the business.    Unconfirmed rumors abound concerning their engraved hoof identification numbers being sanded off so they can’t be identified as a NYC carriage horse when they are in the auction kill pen.  Freedom of Information requests from the  Department of Health reveal a very high turnover of carriage horses – between 60 and 70  a year – about 1/3 of the total horses.   Auctions are the likely place to sell them and recoup costs.  When a horse is sold outside the City, as most are, records are not required to be sent to the Department of Health – only eventual notification that the horse is no longer in the system so the driver does not have to pay the license fee. Although the industry has taken advantage of the NYC landscape to ply their trade, the drivers are not accountable for where the horses go, and the City has never seen fit to change that, despite pleas from advocates who believe they deserve a humane retirement.  There is no transparency in this trade although they benefit from it being a cash only business with few meaningful restrictions.

It has long been suspected that many of these horses are “laundered” with the help of some Amish farmers who essentially act as middlemen.  They will take the horse directly to auction so the blame for the horse ending up in the kill pen is not traced back to the carriage operator.  A perfect example of how this played out was with Bobby II Freedom, a former NYC carriage horse jointly rescued by the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages and Equine Advocates in 2010.  Every year more than 100,000 equines are transported from the US across the Mexican and Canadian borders where they are slaughtered for human consumption and shipped to in Europe and Japan.

The horse of a different color - The present day urban carriage horses are not work horses although the drivers like to pretend they are.  That term needs to be reserved for horses who helped their owners survive before the industrial revolution.  Instead, they  are entertainment horses – they are horses of a different color.  They are often decorated with feathered head dresses, some with glittered body paint and painted hoofs.  Undignified –  a tawdry decoration to attract tourists.

A work horse would pull a plough to till the earth so the farmer could plant seeds and feed his family.  A carriage horse pulls unsuspecting tourists around a city to see the sights,  and according to a recent article in the NY Post, they often get ripped off. These tourists don’t know about cruelty and safety issues, and the carriage drivers certainly aren’t informing them.

A typical day – By law, a NYC carriage horse may work a punishing nine hours a day, seven days a week.  Throughout their long shifts, they are confined between the shafts of their carriage wearing heavy equipment, blinders and a metal bit in their mouths.   During the holiday season, the horses are worked to exhaustion.  The current law requires a 15 minute break every two hours, but it is not enforced.   At other times customers are scarce, the horse stands on the hack line, often ignored by her driver whose attention is elsewhere. She is frequently bored, either mentally shutting down and appearing  dispirited,  or repeatedly pawing / pounding her hoof on the pavement.  It is a form of displacement behavior on which the horse eventually becomes stereotyped.  Restricted by the carriage, she has no freedom of movement.  She is not even able to scratch an itch.

Laws not enforced – Although it is against the law in NYC for horses to be left untethered or unattended, it is a common practice.     In 2007, a horse named Smoothie was attached to her empty carriage waiting unattended at Central Park South when she was spooked by a loud noise.  Frantic, she bolted, got her legs tangled in the carriage and ended up crashing into a tree and dying.  Another horse who saw Smoothie bolt also spooked and ran into traffic, crashing into a car.

On October 28, 2011,  an unattended horse spooked on Central Park South near Columbus Circle, bolting into traffic and ending up in the park where he crashed into the wall.  He is reported to no longer be in the business.

Carriage drivers like to characterize themselves as the experts, the “real horsemen”; this is a thinly veiled and polarizing tactic designed to suggest that anyone who wants to see this business come to an end in the large cities lacks knowledge. They take this line of reasoning even further, stating that proponents of a ban “know nothing about horses” and that the carriage horses–all horses, in fact–need a job. This, of course, is a human concept.

Having knowledge of horses does not equate with treating them well or knowing what is best for them.  Michael Vick knew about dogs, and look how he treated them.  When people make money off the back of a horse or any other animal, their first priority is invariably profit. One does not have to know a fetlock from the withers to know that enslaving these horses and shackling them to a carriage for hours on end is inhumane and is all about what the driver wants – not the horse.

Jobs or respect?  As for needing a job – this is just an excuse to keep the horses working in the carriage business.  Our focus is on urban, commercial / tourist carriage businesses in cities like New York – nothing else.   Horses have highly developed social relationships  and need mental and physical stimulation.  They are exceedingly social animals and should have the opportunity to graze in a pasture in the company of other equines  – something that is denied to them as a carriage horse.

New York City needs to move into the 21st century and stop pretending that this is a big tourist draw or that it provides lots of revenue to the city.  It is not and it does not.  Horse-drawn carriages pose a danger for the horses, their passengers, other vehicles and pedestrians.

It’s way past time to end this cruel and inhumane anachronism.  We hope that time will come in the next few years with the passage of the Avella/Rosenthal  bill  to ban horse-drawn Carriages, which is currently in the New York State legislature.

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88 Responses to “A Horse of a Different Color: Carriage Horses Are Neither War Horses Nor Work Horses”

  1. avatar ILUVHorses says:

    Only in America. A woman watches a movie, forms an opinion on something she has no experience with and decides carraiges are cruel and whips up a frenzied storm to ban it. This is like Sarah Palin running on a lower tax platform-when in her half term as Governor , SHE RAISED TAXES. Yet she has hordes of people jump on her bandwagon-not saying the platform is bad, but seriously her?

    Here you have someone who openly admits she got her opinions watching a movie and she has hordes of followers religiously hanging on to her every word. No wonder our country is so messed up.

  2. avatar Sarah May says:

    Horses do not belong in the chaos of a city like NYC or Rome or any other city where they are routinely injured and often killed in accidents with people, cars or just from spooking. While I agree that horses may not be best off left alone in a pasture, I do know that they’d be better off with a shorter life of freedom and dying of natural causes than hauling around fat tourists in the sweltering heat where they have to stand in their own piss for hours at a time with no break, ever, only to be taken to tiny stalls. Horses in NYC and Rome look bored and unhealthy. The drivers in both of these cities often are engaged on their phones, smoking and sometimes do not notice their horses are thirsty. h and BTW there are plenty of equine rights people that know a lot about horses and have lived or live with horses and don’t consider them OBJECTS to use at will but rathr members of hte family, like a dog or cat.

    • avatar Another Anonymous says:

      Really, How do you KNOW that horses would be “better off” living a short brutal life in the wild than living the life of a well taken care of carriage horse in a city? THAYT is your opinion, not a FACT. You can KNOW that YOU believe that, but your belief doesn’t make it so.

      Sarah, the way some of you carry on about the “chaos io the city” it sounds like you don’t think there should BE cities. Thre is a wonderful story on this thread about a horse that was once a show horse and ended up almost going to an auction. Instead the horse was taken in by a carriage driver and now helps her raise money to take care of outher horses at her farm. It didn’t sound to me like she thought her horses were “OBJECTS to use at will” as you are claiming carriage drivers do. It sounded to me, from her story, that she thinks of those horses as family members.

      • avatar Sarah May says:

        This is based on years of experience, honey. I have been around horses since I could walk. All animals need stimulation, and stading in one place without the freedome to move at will or get a drink when you want it would be considered torture if it were a human.

        • avatar CarriageHorseLover says:

          Well Sarah May– I have been around horses ALL my life, too. I was riding BEFORE I could walk. And I cann tell you that millions of humans DO stand or sit in one place ALL day without being able to move, go to the restroom or drink water when THEY want– it’s called WORK, not torture.

          Every single school teacher is subjected to this experience every single school day, but I don’t hear people screaming and yelling about how “tortured” teachers are.

          And, FYI- carriage horses DON’T stand in one place ALL day– they alternate between standing and pulling the carriages– and they do that for only 9 hours. Their human partner works those same hours, too.And carriage horses can answer the call of nature whenever and whereever they please, too. And they drink WHEN it pleases THEN, no matter how many times their drivers lead them to water or offer them a bucket.

          Sarah, with your coments, you come off sounding like a “wannabe” not an experienced hands-on horse owner.

  3. avatar Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages says:

    Time to ban horse-drawn carriages in NYC. Period.

    to the person who suggested there are “photo-shopped” posters: i’ve never seen one. and I live in NYC and am aware of the deaths, accidents, and human injuries through the years. In fact, 2011 wasn’t the best year to be a tourist in a horse-drawn carriage in NYC. Who know what will happen in 2012.

  4. avatar Nose to Taxi says:

    Or this, in which we see the driver (who was carrying 4 passengers at a place where it is not legal to do so)

    http://campl.us/jrSyd1R1ZPE

    If this looks OK to you, you may be a carriage driver

    • avatar Ana Rosario says:

      I do not work with horses for a living, and what’s wrong with the picture? I do see a fine looking relaxed horse, but where are the 4 passengers you speak of in this picture?

      • avatar Nose to Taxi says:

        http://tinyurl.com/7snwj9w
        There is a whole series showing this horse and carriage and driver, who is from West Side Livery. By law, he is not supposed to have passengers in his carriage at that location. Thankfully for him, the laws are not enforced by anyone.
        I don’t know if you realize it, but horses spook easily and can do so at the slightest provocation. one example that comes to mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3QbTUQgPL8
        Last summer in NYC, during a 10-day period in July, two serious carriage horse accidents (one of which involved a spooked horse, the other a taxicab) sent people to hospitals with serious injuries. Among the seriously injured was a carriage driver.
        Traffic in NYC has its own risks–to pedestrians, motorists, horses, and all living beings. Which is why plunking horses into this mix is a very dangerous and foolish thing to do. As lawmakers will find out.
        horses spook. google it. Or better yet, look it up in a veterinary textbook.

  5. avatar Nose to Taxi says:

    http://campl.us/bhsCKAbZelU

    If this looks OK to you, you may be a carriage driver

  6. avatar Cash Industry, Why Pay Taxes says:

    Whenever I see a “new,” relatively healthy-looking NYC carriage horse, I stop and reflect for a moment on the one it is almost certainly replacing. The one who got dumped at New Holland. The one I couldn’t save.

    It is very interesting how the carriage drivers who show up to comment on One Green Planet when Elizabeth Forel has a new article published invariably will argue, to a person, that it’s better for a horse to have a job, that horses like having jobs, that the exploited horses are treated “better than most children,” etc. Where have I heard that argument before???

    • avatar Louise Gordon says:

      If so many are being dumped in New Holland why are you not able to document it ? Further more why are you not able to utilize those rescues who “would line up to adopt and give sanctuary ” to the horses if a ban were to be put into affect. Are you saying that those places suddenly would appear but are not able to save any of the current horses you’ve claimed are being dumped there ??

      I don’t find it interesting at all that equine professionals have posted in rebuking E.Forels misanthropic piece on working horses. . However in the sport of debate I would encourage you to take your Platform over to http://chronofhorse.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=74 and see what the general thoughts and feelings are per the professional equestrian community. If you are so assured that “real” horsemen and women will support you.

  7. avatar Real Horse says:

    Carriage drivers: Don’t paint with such a broad brush and pretend that this article is based on a feature film. New York City clearly is an unsafe and inhumane place for horses pulling carriages, and there is a mountain of evidence to show it. That is why this article hits home. The industry is on its last legs, thankfully, and that is why you all have set your Google alerts and lined up in droves to post your ridiculous comments. It is quite simple, really. Apart from the good, the bad, and the ugly in the carriage trade, the fundamental fact is that it is a spectacularly bad idea to put horses into traffic and cram horses–some of them large draft horses–into stalls that are, according to the New York State Horse Health Assurance Program, less than HALF the size that is recommended for optimal health and well-being.

    • avatar Ana Rosario says:

      You guys have set your eyes on banning the carriage horses because of one reason only. Even though there are many horses out there in real need of rescuing and donations people choose to ignore this fact. Why? Because it is not as sensational and as interesting as it is to attack an EASY target like the big city carriage horse industry with its pampered fancy horses. Attacking the horse drawn carriage has drama, city council, protest in the bustling tourist park, chest-pounding protesters, an audience, tourist, developers, stars, the NY post,… Those who do and have helped deal with animal rescues know that it is often quiet hard work out of the limelight dealing with the unseen, and the forgotten. Not very glamorous nor exciting work. Thank God there are people/organizations out there like Blue Star Equiculture and the like.

      By the way, this article has no valid argument and all the things mentioned here are not new. All it did was repeat the same things it has been said with no back up evidence as usual.

  8. avatar Anne Streeter says:

    Horses have no business pulling carriages in an urban environment. To suggest otherwise is to promote animal abuse. Check out the long hours worked, the heavy loads, the heat, the pollution promoted respiratory diseases, the bute injected sore limbs and the filthy fly infested barns. Add to this, the final trip to a horse slaughterhouse when the poor creature is no longer able to work at his miserable job.

    • avatar Eric Nix says:

      I weigh less than 150 lbs. and I can pull a carriage! The N.Y. carriage horses are NOT sent to the slaughterhouse! A retired carriage horse is a treasure! If You really want to learn about horses and their care, there is no better teacher I.M.O. then a well seasoned carriage horse.

    • avatar Another Anonymous says:

      Anne, You are just rehashing all the old lies and myths about the carriage horses that the carriage drivers have already debunked. I guess you can’t come up with anything at all remotely proving your opinions or asertions, so you think if you just keep repeating these lies enough they will magicly become the trught. Well you can’t turn led into gold, no many how many times you trie. AND you can’t turn lies into truth, no matter how many times you repeat them. And BTW, I have never seen a vet or anyone else inject Bute into horses’ sore limbs. Bute is administered orally as a paste, or as a liquid, it is injected directly into a vein in a horse’s neck.

  9. avatar Heather Smith says:

    “No Walk in the Park The carriage drivers and their cronies are going ballistic over my article. As I said in the article, their response is always predictable – that I do not know anything about horses, I am a liar, blah blah blah also a fanatic, radical, terrorist.

    The real reason is that everything I say is true and they cannot stand that.

    PLEASE comment on the blog. ”

    Your begging for support aside the reason real “horsemen and women” are going ballistic over your post is how incredibly impregnated it is with lies and hysterical garbage. To be honest it was laughable really. Congratulations Elizabeth you have a handful of animal activist pals and one vet that only does animal welfare and openly admits wanting to ban all horse drawn carriages. Your tiny microcosm believers is almost as laughable as the Hale Bop crew. Just one question when the Kool-Aid is passed around Grape or Fruit-bat Punch?

  10. avatar Victoria says:

    I would really LOVE to know how many of the commenters actually HAVE HORSES?

    • avatar CarriageHorseLover says:

      Well there are SIX here at our retirement farm Elysian Fields Farm. Now, be prepared because Ms. Forel and her supporters will try to say our farm isn’t a “real” retirement farm because the horses still “work.” But “work” is a relative term, and horses need exercise– more than what they get just standing around in the pasture soaking up the sun, or lazily meandering about the pasture grazing, or walking to and from the water troughs. This might be a little longer than you expected for an answer– but . . .

      The horse who works the most here is Dixie, our carriage horse. The othe horses are lightly ridden about twice a week for their exercise. Let me tell you about Dixie’s work BEFORE she retired here. For the first seven years of her life she belonged to one of the state prisons where she was trained and used as a show hitch horse in a program designed to teach offenders skills in horse handling so they could get jobs — on the outside. The prison was for non-violent offenders– mainly drig addicts, white collar criminals and burglers who didn’t have weapons on them when robbing homes. After she had been professionally trained, she pretty much was harnessed and driven every day and by people who were just learning to drive.But the trainer in charge of the program was experienced and he taught the offenders proper driving techniques and and the best of them even learned some pretty fancy high driving styles and got to show in some classes.While she was being used to train drivers, she was also used to harrow the fields and pastures– the prison has about 3,00 acres of those. And she was used to pull a wagon to pick up trash and garbage at the prison– there are abour 5,000 offenders there so ther’s a good deal of garbage and trash to haul.She wans’t alone doing these jobs becasue the other seven hitch horses took their turns and sometimes they weoked in pairs, or four up or six up.

      But the prison wanted bigger and more competitive horses, so Dixie went to a —- oh no– an auction– because that is how the state has to “dispose of surplus property.” She was bought by a couple with a carriage company. They did street livery (like in NYC) and special events like weddings and parties by reservation. Dixie pretty much worked seven days a week for seven years– I don’t know if she got any vacations because the town where she worked didn’t have the many rules and regulations that NYC has to protect carriage horses from even accidental overuse. Anyway, after seven years, they decided to retire and close their business. They donated Dixie, the carriage and their homemade trailer/ hauler to a church camp.

      At the church camp, Dixie pulled a hay wagon loaded with about 25 campers at a time back and forth twice a day to the Mess Hall. This was a big heavy hay wagon and she pulled it on hay rides at night for the campers too, sometimes. When she wasn’t hauling a hay wagon full of kids around, she was pastured with about 20 riding horses. They were all fed in long communal troughs– and the roughest and toughest horses got the most to eat– sort of like those feral horses out west– but at least they got feed guaranteed once a day, and whatever grass they could get in the 35 acre pasture the camp kept them in (hint, hint– 35 acres isn’t large enough a pasture to support 21 horses, so the grass was usually very short.) And in the winter, they got big round bales of hay– and again Dixie had to “fight” to get her share.

      Anyway, after several years of doing this, she started to have more and more trouble pulling that wagon up and down those hills and along that gravel road– it is harder to pull a wagon on grass and gravel than on asphalt because those suraces offer more friction and resistance. Dixie started breathing heavily, and having to be rested a lot. And she started losing weight.

      The camp gave her the winter off– there are not that many activites then, and they are on the weekends only– not like daily summer camp.Well, the next spring, she didn’t look much better. So the camp bought a TEAM of 18 hand BELGIANS to do her old job.

      The camp couldn’t afford to keep a horse that didn’t work– the riding horses did trail rides and served as mounts at the camp’s horse show and games, the Belgians were pulling the hay wagon. Dixie wasn’t needed any more, and she didn’t look good. She was skinny and all scuffed up where the other horses bit and kicked her to keep her away from the feed trough. The camp director told the horse director to take Dixie to —you guessed it, I bet—-the monthly horse auction.

      But a friend of the horse director had heard about Elysian Fields Farm. He called us to see if we wanted to buy Dixie for what he would get for her at the auction– it’s a per pound price called “the meat price.”He said he hated to see her go to the auction because in spite of himslf he had grown attached to her. The horse director had grown up on a ranch with working hores, he had no “problem” with horses going to auction once they eere old and ‘used up” because horses were like any other tool or piece of equipment at the ranch.

      The way he looked at it, if we bought Dixie, he would not have to haul her as far as it was to the auction house and the camp woould save on the fuel cost– and there was always the chance she would not sell,a nd he would have to haul her back, and maybe even shoot her or watch her slowly starve the next winter as she weakened and couldn’t fight for her share of feed in the herd.

      Poor Dixie! Her once glossy black coat was dirty and scuffed where she had been bitten and kicked. She even had a few open sores that didn’t look too good, even though the horse director had “doctored” her with some antibiotic cream. Her hooves were all cracked, dry and splintered around the edges because they hadn’t been trimed in a while– since she was just running loose in the pasture. An unnoticed hoof abcess had gone un treated until it had errupted at her coronet band. A foul yellow pus drained from it and attracted more than its share of flies. And she was skinny– you could hang a hat on her hips and count all of her ribs. Poor Dixie, once a highly trained show hitch horse, and a fancy carriage horse, and now just a tired old nag in her teens.

      Luckily for her, we could see that beautiful horse Dixie once was. We didn’t see an old nag. Today Dixie is once again a beautiful, proud, and older and reliable carriage horse. And she does still work. She LOVES to work. She is always the first of the horses to meet me at the gate. She readily lowers her head for me to put her halter on, and practically drags me to the wash rack. She knows that after a bath, she will go to work that day.

      So how much DOES she work? Dixie is driven two or three times a week for about a mile or two around town at a walk or a slow trot– if she wants to –to keep her fit and in condition. She does, on average two to three weddings a month in the spring and fall. She never travels more than a mile total with passengers at special occasion events. She is never hauled farther than 70 miles from home to do an event. Around Christmas, she does the annual Christmas Parade- rumor has it that next year Santa himself and Mrs. Claus may ride in the carriage.

      In the summer, we don’t do daytime weddings — only evening weddings and we don’t do weddings if the temps are more than 90 to 92F.(we might do a sunrise wedding if asked, but nothing later than 9 am) Once a month, on Market Day, if we don’t ahve an event booked, Dixie does carriage rides around the courthouse square– That means each ride is four blocks long. She usually does about one ride an hour and the rest of the time she just rests in the shade of the live oaks and looks impressive.

      So yes, Dixie lives at a horse retirement farm, but she works- just enough to keep her fit and happy. Dixie will live here for the rest of her life, even after her “very light working days” are in the past. With care, some drafts have been known to live to be in their mid-to late 30s. Dixie and I will be growing old together. (Apologies Victoria, this probalby wasn’t what you were expecting when you asked how many people posting had horses.)

      • avatar Anonymous says:

        Thank you for sharing this beautiful story about Dixie. Thank you for caring so much for your horse. This could be an article in itself.

    • avatar Eric Nix says:

      After being horseless for several months I am now the keeper of the herd at a small farm near St. Augustine Fl. You see Victoria, I`m one of those guys that love driving, riding, grooming, feeding, watering, and playing with horses and YES, I even like cleaning stalls!

    • avatar Victoria says:

      Um guys, I was wondering about all the anti-carriage horse people. How can the possibly know what is best for a horse if they don’t HAVE horses? I fully support NYC Carriage horses.

      • avatar CarriageHorseLover says:

        Thank you Victoria. Carriage horses and their owenrs everywhere need the support of sensible people who can decern fact from opinion. Working with horses- carriage or otherwise- can be hot, dirty work. As Eric mentioned, their stalls need mucking -it they are stalled, they need to be fed and their water buckets need to be checked several times a day and cleaned when needed-unless they have those autowaterers.

        To look their best, they need to brushed and groomed regularly and their hooves need to be lifted and checked over and picked (cleaned of any debris or manure that may become lodged or packed into the sole) using a hoof pick. If they are shod, their hooves need to be lifted to check for loose or missing nails or loose shoes.There is an old saying, called “For Want of a Nail” It has an excellent moral, especially whe dealing with horses. Constant vigilance and care make for happy, healthy horses, no matter what their “job” is.

        For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
        For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
        For want of a horse the rider was lost.
        For want of a rider the message was lost.
        For want of a message the battle was lost.
        For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
        And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

  11. avatar Anonymous says:

    Everything written in this article is the truth, the filthy, greedy, cruel truth. The horse carriage industry should be banned. Period. Thank you for taking the time out to speak up for the poor horses who can’t speak for themselves. Well done!

    • avatar Another Anonymous says:

      I think you need to read he beautiful story about Dixie. I think there are more carriage drivers like this one, than awful animal abusers like the animal rights people complain about ALL THE TIME.. Like you, they try to paint ALL of these carriage people as selfish and greedy, which obviously they ALL are not.

  12. avatar CarriageHorseLover says:

    Hey One Green Planet– How come Elizabeth Forel is allowed to attack and insult me and other people in favor of keeping horse-drawn carriages and her comments stay up. But when we try to answer her lies and insults, our comments are put on moderation or deleted? Don’t you think that is being jsut a little biased?

    You did see her commnet wher eshe told me to “shut up” didn’t you? That wasn’t very nice, was it?

  13. avatar Beth says:

    Few sites are more revolting and despicable than the carriage horses forced to pull large tourists around in the stupefying heat of summer. (The rest of the seasons are bad too but there is something so incredibly angering about seeing them in the summer.)

  14. avatar CarriageHorseLover says:

    Susan- You are just pathetic trying to equate human slavery with carriage livery. And I don’t appreciate your insinuation that I or any other livery owenr or carriage driver is animal abuser– That is LIBEL

    I also think it is beyond the pale to compare me or any other livery owner to a slave owner, either. I do KNOW that my horses get way better treatment than the thousnads of pleasure and pet horses whose owners only take them out of their stalls on weekends– and not every weekend, or who leave them to fend for themselves in pastures, some without even a shed or shelter.

  15. avatar bbbm says:

    Elizabeth, you tireless work and never waivering voice for the horses who should not have to pull tourists and others around in carriages on dangerous NYC streets and inhumane conditions is magnificent. Keep up the good work. You seem to be very well-informed on your topic! Thank you for giving the horses an eloquent, articulate and strong voice in NYC and beyond!

    • avatar Heather Smith says:

      If siting a fictional Steven Speilberg movie as an insightful fact source about working horses is “well versed “. Well then call me a cruise ship expert I’ve watched Titanic at least 3 times.

      Frankly it is scary how easily the ill informed are manipulated and swayed.

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